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    Posted: January 20 2010 at 5:17am
Originally posted by TaRaN-RoD

Rocky is an all time masterpiece, you want it or not, it's a fact... and you want it or not, but Sly is a major star!
Oh sure, it's a great inspiring movie, but then they had to drag it through the mud with five sequels that it could have done without.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TaRaN-RoD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2010 at 7:44pm
Rocky is an all time masterpiece, you want it or not, it's a fact... and you want it or not, but Sly is a major star!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Michaels Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2010 at 8:06am
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Rocky was better than Taxi Driver, The Network and All The Presidents Men? Well, you read it here first folks.
Maybe more ENTERTAINING, yes, but not "better" than those other movies! As for the wrong movies getting Best Picture, hey, we all know the Oscars almost NEVER get it right. That's why you have to turn to the Independent Spirit Awards.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 9:48pm
Rocky was better than Taxi Driver, The Network and All The Presidents Men? Well, you read it here first folks.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TaRaN-RoD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 9:31pm
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

TaRaN-RoD, I'm afraid that it is time for a harsh dose of reality:
 
1. Rocky won Best Picture, but it stands alongside The Greatest Show on Earth, Titanic and The Sting as the most undeserving winners in the history of the Oscars. It wasn't a bad movie, but it was at best the 4th best among the 5 nominated that year.
 


The Greatest Show on Earth actually sucked... But what the hell is wrong with Rocky and Titanic? Nothing... there was no better movies those years, no not even Taxi Driver, The Network and All the President's Men (all 3 great movies too) in 1976, and, in 1997,  not even the great Good Will Hunting that was a real masterpiece of course, but was nothing next to Titanic in my opinion... James Cameron's movie has done the job as well as this one!

So Rocky and Titanic are 2 really deserving Best Picture winner!

If I'd have to say the most underserving ''Best Picture'' winners in my opinion, it would be:

- The Departed, every movie that were nominated were better!
- Chicago, incredible piece of crap Gangs of New York should have won by far!
- The Lord of the Rings 3, for me it's one of those commercial craps without value I think Lost in Translation should have won by far!
- No Country for Old Men, I don't understand what did the academy think to make it win against Atonement, There Will Be Blood and Michael Clayton! IMO, this movie isn't too bad, but isn't good at all! Into the Wild should at least have been nominated because this movie is splendid!!!
- Dances with Wolves, annoying, really anoying! I like Kevin Costner (who you Razzie hate except for this movie xD), but not for this time! Goodfellas or Godfather Part.3 should have won (if The Godfather Part.3 would've won, it would be the only trilogy in the history that all the three movies have won ''Best Picture'' academy award)!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 5:14pm
TaRaN-RoD, I'm afraid that it is time for a harsh dose of reality:
 
1. Rocky won Best Picture, but it stands alongside The Greatest Show on Earth, Titanic and The Sting as the most undeserving winners in the history of the Oscars. It wasn't a bad movie, but it was at best the 4th best among the 5 nominated that year.
 
2. The city of Philadelphia did not erect a statue to Sly.  The statue was a prop used in one of his films (I believe it was Rocky 2) and Stallone donated it to the city.
 
3. I would hesitate to elevate Stallone to the status of "American Icon." I could spend the next several hours listing people, most of whom are not in any way involved in showbusiness, who truly deserve that title. Sly isn't fit to shine the shoes of a single one of them.
 
4. You can't elevate Sly as an actor by evoking the names of other actors with similarly deplorable careers anymore than you can make a logical case that Dubya was a good President by suggesting that Nixon and Millard Fillmore were worse.
 
5. Your list of Stallone films does little more than aptly demonstrate that one man's trash is truly another's treasure. I think the consensus of most knowledgeable moviegoers would study that list and find, in their most charitable moments, a bastillon of mediocrity. In less generous frames, they'd see a pile of crap.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Michaels Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 10:02am
Originally posted by TaRaN-RoD


Really, ''Worst actor of the Century''? LOL! That makes me laugh! Arnold Scwarzenegger, Steven Seagal, Jean-Claude Van Damme, Chuck Norris, Ben Affleck, Nicholas Cage, Christian Bale, Vin Diesel and Paul Walker, THOSE are horrible actors!
 
Although I don't agree with you that Stallone is as great an actor as you claim him to be, I will agree that most of those actors you listed are just as bad, if not worse than him and are equally worthy of being called "The Worst of the Century". I mean Ar-nold, Seagal, JCVD, and Norris, they all have the combined acting ability of a rock!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TaRaN-RoD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 9:50am
I'd say... NO FREAKING WAY!

Stallone is a great actor, he is know by the whole world, he is one of those actors that it's impossible to not know! Everyone knows what is ''Rocky'' and ''Rambo''! Everyone ever heard ''Come on Rocky'' while training (except if you're not training sometimes)! Stallone is an american icon, an actor who inspired an entire generation with his determination and courage! The first ''Rocky'' is an all time masterpiece that won the ''Best Picture'' academy award and REALLY deserved it! Stallone is a charming actor, Philadelphia even built him a statut to thanks him to share the dream of ''Rocky'' with the whole world!

I think that how you guys are trating Stallone is pathetic, you're just jaleous, you cannot stand him because his was one of the most well paid actor in the 80's! Really, ''Worst actor of the Century''? LOL! That makes me laugh! Arnold Scwarzenegger, Steven Seagal, Jean-Claude Van Damme, Chuck Norris, Ben Affleck, Nicholas Cage, Christian Bale, Vin Diesel and Paul Walker, THOSE are horrible actors! And I don't understand why Bale didn't never received at least a nomination! Stallone, is a great actor!

For me, he is one of the best actors ever with Dustin Hoffman, Robert de Niro, Al Pacino, Joe Pesci, Leonardo DiCaprio, Marlon Brando and Tom Hanks!

And you know, I don't understand why some people say that he has no good movie, because I can give you a list of excellent movies in which he played, and even wrote and directed:

- Rocky (of course, all time masterpiece)
- Rocky Balboa (masterpiece)
- Rocky II
- Rocky III
- Rocky V
- First Blood
- Rambo (2008)
- F.I.S.T.
- Victory
- Paradise Alley
- Cop Land
- Get Carter
- Cliffhanger
- Demolition Man
- Cobra
- Over the Top
- Tango & Cash

All great movies!!!

And after all, the whole world loves Sly except you guys so don't you think that YOU are wrong?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote fan of 30 years Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2008 at 2:36am

Oh Saturn, I so knew you would go there... I have come to accept that everyone has their preferences, their "movies" that inspire and reach their heart.  And because Sly has done that for me, yes, I am completely able to overlook the movies he made that did not inspire me (in any way, shape, or form).  As long as this thread has gone on, it is REALLY time to agree to disagree.  Those that get a vote have the say, those of us who don't vote, can only sit by and watch what happens, while knowing that just as much as the lack of "attaboy" awards haven't kept us from enjoying, and admiring Sly... the receipt of a Razzie will not either.  So, decide for yourself.  And I'll do the same.  I do find much entertainment here though! 

Maybe we could make a movie out of it...and Sly could direct!

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First of all, the notion that since neither  Boll or Seltzerberg have produced a masterpiece yet that it is beyond their human capability is not just nonsense, it is incredible nonsense. I can produce a LENGHTY list of people who have made significant contributions to art, science and numerous other fields rather late in life after numerous spectacular failures.

Second, I think there is a tendency to view Sly's career in terms of Rocky and Rambo, when in point of fact he has had a variety of other catastrophes, and, as previously pointed out, he probably has considerably less time ahead of him than either of the other two. I fully realize that your generation is all about instant gratification, but when you reach my age, you begin to realize that patience is a virtue.

Yes, the Rocky films are much more than films about some boxer. By and large, they are incredibly bad films about some boxer, each progressively worse, which is in a perverse way sort of an amazing accomplishment.

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Well, Sly isn't learning from his mistakes, but neither is Uwe Boll. Based on IMDb, he has two movies in pre-production Hades. "BloodRayne 3" and "Zombie Massacre". Are these the movies he will atone with? Doubtful. Unless BloodRayne 3 will be one of the few movies to break the mold and be the best entry of a three part movie series, that's not going to redeem him. And unless Zombie Massacre is going to redefine the horror genre like the original "Night of the Living Dead" or the original "Halloween" did, that will not save him either. Sly peeked in his career at one point, but Boll's career has been dim since the word "go," and it doesn't look like he's doing anything to make it any brighter.

PS: Funny story about the BloodRayne movies ... my friends and I were in a FYE and saw the BloodRayne movies together as a two pack in the discount bin. Together, they cost $19.99. A minute later, we found "BloodRayne 2" for $17.99 -- Yes, that means that as part of a two pack, "BloodRayne 1" was being sold for just...$2! OUCH! 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote tomsmo35 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2008 at 11:24am

I read that Sly is teaming Jason Statham, and Jet Li in movie tittled 'The Expendables' read the new article at the address below the post.

http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-43110.html

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I agree with Mayhem5185 -- Sly is not that bad. Okay, so some of his films are not great, but you could say that about any actor. Going back to the Rocky films, they are much more that just films about some boxer, they are much more than that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mayhem5185 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2008 at 5:01pm
Sorry Saturn but even comparing Stallone to Boll or Seltzerberg is an downright insult to the Sly guy, and that's saying a lot. At least we can look back on most of Stallone's movies and have a good laugh, kind of like a good MST3000 episode (Judge Dredd = comedy classic). No amount of time or illegal substances can make these movies even remotely close to funny.
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Originally posted by saturnwatcher

But remember (and I'm not attempting to draw comparisons, just noting for purposes of consideration) prior to becoming one of our greatest Presidents, Abraham Lincoln had two business failures, lost 8 elections, suffered a nervous breakdown, had a fiancee die prior to marriage and lost at least 2 jobs. So the plights of these two are still redeemable.

With all due respect, with the threat of losing ALL studio backing and budgeting, if Boll or Seltzerberg had a masterpiece in the waiting to release, I think they would have done so by now. I think even those three have the common sense to realize, "Gee, I shouldn't waste 5 years of my career making a string of lacklester movies that are critical and commerical disappointments. I should really make a good movie before no studio in America will touch any product with my name on it".

That's Boll's and Seltzeberg's status right now. They haven't had any homeruns this last season and are in danger of being sent back to the minors or being forced into early retirement. If Boll had an original idea in his head that had nothing to do with sex or violence driven video games, he should have released it by now instead of doing "Postal". If Seltzerberg had a smart and funny comedy instead of one and a half hours of random pop culture references, they should have made it already, instead of doing "Disaster Movie". 

We all talked about George W. Bush here. Like Boll's movie making career, Bush's career as president was one bad mistake after another. Now that Boll doesn't have the German tax loophole or any studio to back his movies, the chances of he somehow pulling an instant classic out of thin air are about the same as Bush somehow lifting the country out of the slump he has put it in within the next 10 weeks.

I understand what you're saying, but at the stages of their careers, Boll and Seltzerberg making the next great American movie is a pipe dream. It would be like Edward D. Wood Jr. trying to make the successor of "Citizen Kane" after he released "Plan 9 From Outer Space". Hollywood may be forgiving, but if you're a proven failure time and time again, H-Wood drops you like a bad habbit.

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Originally posted by Michaels

 

In the end, Sly will always have "Rocky 1" and the people's love of that movie will always overcome whatever bombs he makes in the future. Boll and Seltzerberg have nothing to atone for, no instant classic that will still be watched or talked about 30 years from now.

In point of fact Boll and Seltzerbert have a great deal to atone for, but they have one thing that Stallone does not: The prospect of a few good decades ahead to attempt atonement. Come back to me in twenty years and I'll probably take my teeth out of the jar, adjust my nearly inch thick pop-bottle glasses and discuss the aforementioned gentlemen with you.

But remember (and I'm not attempting to draw comparisons, just noting for purposes of consideration) prior to becoming one of our greatest Presidents, Abraham Lincoln had two business failures, lost 8 elections, suffered a nervous breakdown, had a fiancee die prior to marriage and lost at least 2 jobs. So the plights of these two are still redeemable.

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