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    Posted: January 21 2007 at 5:07pm

Rocky was not a terrible admirable character, that was the entire point.  He was just a regular guy who meant well but was a bum. 

I believe it was Abraham Lincoln who once quipped, "God must love common people, because he made an awful lot of them." Frankly, I've known a lot of common folk, or regular guys if you prefer, and almost all of them were a million times more admirable than, in my view, the utterly detestable Rocky Balboa. Come now, folks. Was I really the only guy watching those movies that pulled for ALL of his opponents to beat the stuffing out of him?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote CDNDestroyer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2007 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Why did we expect Rocky to be bad? Stallone's track record was a launching point for speculation. As for Rocky being an extension of Stallone's "real life self," PLEASE! Rocky may represent some extension of Stallone's ideal vision of himself, assuming that he actually does aspire to some status lower than Zeus. But Rocky wasn't a terribly admirable human being, at least by any standard I'd choose to admire. And, frankly, neither is Sly...



I will not deny that Stallone's acting career has ranged from wretched to laughable and he has not been a good actor.  But the Rocky role always seemed to click for him because it didn't demand too much from him.  He just had to show up and be himself, which was what I was referring to when I said "real-life self", which any of us could do.

Rocky was not a terrible admirable character, that was the entire point.  He was just a regular guy who meant well but was a bum.  He was called up to an extraordinary opportunity to prove himself, he didn't expect to win just not back down.

Remember: Stallone came up with the idea/script for the Rocky film and it was actually really good.  Now that he's been out of the acting spotlight for many years and gotten older, I feel he's been humbled a little bit to the point where he just wanted to properly conclude the series he started.  I don't view it as a vanity project for Stallone because I never saw it that way.  It was just a proper conclusion after the disaster that was Rocky V.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2007 at 4:54pm

If the defining question of the topic were altered slightly, to say, "How will Rocky Balboa end?" the answer might finally be, "largely ignored."

Its box-office numbers weren't disastrous; as of January 18 it had pulled in $66 million domestic, and will probably tack on another 5 to 10 million before it ends its run, about exactly what we predicted. What has been curious has been its complete lack of appeal in foreign markets. It has only pulled about $10 million overseas. Compare that to You, Me and Dupree, a very different movie, but with comparable domestic numbers. It ended its domestic run in the mid-70 million range. Its foreign take was around $55 million. Evidently Rocky's appeal is strictly an American phenomenon, and not, these days, a strong one even here.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 4:45pm

Why did we expect Rocky to be bad? Stallone's track record was a launching point for speculation. As for Rocky being an extension of Stallone's "real life self," PLEASE! Rocky may represent some extension of Stallone's ideal vision of himself, assuming that he actually does aspire to some status lower than Zeus. But Rocky wasn't a terribly admirable human being, at least by any standard I'd choose to admire. And, frankly, neither is Sly...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote CDNDestroyer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 3:07pm
I actually really enjoyed Rocky Balboa.  I don't know why everyone expected this film to bomb horribly other than pulling the "Stallone is old" excuse.  Age sometimes allows actors to grow experience.  It's been 16 years since Rocky V, the stink is long gone and Stallone finally gets a chance to conclude what he started.

Yes, Stallone acting career has sucked horribly but Rocky is one of the few roles he could do well because it's really just an extension of his real-life self.

They concluded the series, ended it on a good note (which Rocky V tried to do and failed) and left it as such.  I couldn't have expected any more.

Looking forward: Rambo IV could be one of those films that could be horribly incredible or incredibly horrible.  I can't wait.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote fan of 30 years Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2007 at 1:18am
  I guess that will have to be good enough for me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2007 at 4:30pm

For what it's worth, I doubt either of them will receive sufficient votes to make the final ballot. The competition is sufficiently stiff that RB will likely be ignored by both the AMPAS and the Razzies.

Originally posted by fan of 30 years

And while I do not profess to be any sort of expert on who is a good actor or not, I would disagree with the nominations of both Milo and Burt. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote fan of 30 years Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2007 at 1:50am

HeadRazz, I understand that you have to do what you what you have to do.  And while I do not profess to be any sort of expert on who is a good actor or not, I would disagree with the nominations of both Milo and Burt.  The character of Paulie reminds me of so many people I have met in life that I can't help but feel that Burt captures him so well.  And Milo pulled off that roll surprisingly well, to me. 

No hard feelings though, everyone gets to have an opinion.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote fan of 30 years Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2006 at 1:41am

With the movie now out, I will say this.  I absolutely loved it.  And as much as I would love for Rocky, thus Sly to kick butt at the box office and really show everyone who isn't rooting for him, I have come to the realization that it doesn't really matter. 

I know low #'s and bad reviews will affect future projects, but for me, I got what I was wanting with Rocky Balboa.  A sweet, sentimental, don't let anyone tell you that you can't do something, Bill Conti score, going the distance close to MY favorite character ever.  And since Sly and Rocky are so much the same in my mind, neither can do much wrong in my eyes.

I have never been so naive as to think or say that Sly never made any bad movies.  But I would like to say that he is the ONLY actor that I am willing to watch whether or not it is a bad movie.  Even the "greats" in the eyes of most can't draw me to a movie that is bad.

  Everyone has an opinion, so, here is mine.  I am sure that you will like Rocky Balboa, and that no matter what it will not redeem Sly enough to avoid your Razz.  That's is OK.  Do what you feel is right... I got what I wanted.  And I will now look forward to whatever Sly does next. 

Response from Head RAZZberry: Dear Fan of 30 Years and #1 Sly Fan -- While we don't totally agree about ROCKY BALBOA, we're much closer in our response than you might expect. Due to the critical acceptance of  the film (LINK) and the fact that it is clearly not bombing at the box office (LINK)  I chose to list it in only two places on my 27th Annual RAZZIES Nominating Ballot (both Burt Young as Paulie and Milo Ventimiglia as Rocky Junior for Worst Supporting Actor). Stallone's performance in this film, especially the scene where he breaks down in tears over the loss of Adrian, was certainly nothing for him to be ashamed of (or for us to poke fun at). We  have also decided 2006 is not an appropriate year to give Sly a Worst Career Achievement award. But if ROCKY VI and its apparent success allow Stallone to finally make RAMBO IV and/or his "dream project" about Edgar Allen Poe, as I mentioned in a previous post, we will likely revisit the issue in the next year or two...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote AllisonSNLKid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 11:46am

Originally posted by #1-Film Freak!!

The only realistic ending would be for Balboa to die in the ring. But given what a golden goose Rocky has proven to be for the minimally talented Stallone, I seriously doubt that's how it will end. I voted in agreement with head RAZZberry above -- I bet Sly rips-off Rocky I one more time...

Could be worse...he could get into the ring in cowboy getup and a guitar and sing us to death...

...or, he could arm wrestle Mason Dixon, but he doesn't need to get custody of his son, because, after all, he is grown up...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ITbeast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2006 at 5:49am

Actually, it was Stallone who made the decision not kill off his own character in Rocky V, not the studio. I dug this up a few months ago in one of our other "Stallone Debate" threads. Here is the exact quote from IMDB; "Sylvester Stallone originally intended for Rocky to die after defeating Tommy Gunn in their streetfight, however he had second thoughts and rewrote the ending, claiming "it would be like killing off Superman". 

Originally posted by Brierfox

I just watched a TV program on TVO called "Theater 101'" and they interviewed the producers, directors et al of the first five Rockie movies.  It was interesting to learn that Sly wanted Rocky to die in "Rocky-V" but the studio heads said "no, heroes like Batman and Rocky can't die."
The director said Sly had written the entire script to lead up to Rocky's death, and that the movie would have shown that, though Rocky himself may die, his dream will live on.  As the result of the changes (and all the principals agreed) was that "Rocky-V" was a mushy failure. At the time of the interviews, there was no #6 in the works.
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I just watched a TV program on TVO called "Theatre 101'" and they interviewed the producers, directors et al of the first five Rockie movies.  It was interesting to learn that Sly wanted Rocky to die in "Rocky-V" but the studio heads said "no, heroes like Batman and Rocky can't die."
The director said Sly had written the entire script to lead up to Rocky's death, and that the movie would have shown that, though Rocky himself may die, his dream will live on.  As the result of the changes (and all the principals agreed) was that "Rocky-V" was a mushy failure. At the time of the interviews, there was no #6 in the works.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ITbeast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2006 at 3:08am

See, even you can have a bit of an off day..., I was even more surprised that Apocalypto made $16 million in its first week, much less ranking #1 at the B.O. It looks like it may at least be able to pay for its production cost.

Anyways, I do agree there are lots of other movies out there that deserve our immediate attention other than Rocky Balboa. I'm just more or less in shock that after more than 20 years of certified crap (Some of witch Stallone himself finally admitted to) that his latest installment may not be more of same.

Well, we'll find out between tomorrow and Friday for sure if what he pulls off on screen in Rocky Balboa can be pulled off with the critics, this honorable Forum, and most importantly, American moviegoers.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2006 at 5:14pm

Considering the fact that most final ratings at IMDB garner between 95 and 115 critical reviews, the 13 on the board for Rocky Balboa so far hardly constitutes a trend. Nonetheless, allow me to throw a shock into the board here: I almost hope this film does end up getting something at least close to a decent critical response. There are so many other films that have been released this year that sorely deserve our attention that it would almost be a shame to invest more of our attention on yet another lame effort by Stallone. Frankly, the whole topic is growing a bit stale.

On an entirely unrelated note, I made a wildly inaccurate prediction last weekend that I would like to share. After  my wife expressed some surprise that Apocalypto opened at #1 last week, I advised her not to read too much into it. After all, the opening numbers were pretty soft for a holiday film, and I predicted it would drop at least 50% week 2. How wrong I was...it only tanked 48.5%.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ITbeast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2006 at 2:06pm

You guys are not going to believe this, but as of 7:06/PST on Monday, Dec 18th, ROCKY B is not only back up to 77%, but at 100% for the cream of the crop over at RT. Someone may have to pick ME off the canvas if this trend continues! I might actually enjoy myself when I go see this on Friday, which would be a very pleasant surprise -- the 1st time in about 20 years for a Stallone picture!

Rocky Balboa Movie Stills: Sylvester Stallone, Antonio Tarver, Burt Young, Sylvester Stallone

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ITbeast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2006 at 12:32pm

Well, it looks like "Rocky Balboa" has pushed himself back off the canvas (for the moment) and is back up over the 60% line at RT. Like both me and Saturnwatcher said, The overall consensus from the critics for "Rocky Balboa" will most likely be in the 1st 3 to 5 days after Rocky Balboa is released!

Response from Head RAZZberry: For now (7pm/PST on Sunday, Dec. 17) RB is getting a "Fresh" Rating at RT -- But that's with less than 10 reviews counted. So, at this point, critical response could still go either way. Guess we'll have to wait and see its combined critical/box office clout to decide if Sly's latest is, indeed, a RAZZIE Contenduh...or Hollywood's best Cinderella story of 2006. 

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