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    Posted: September 28 2008 at 7:41am

Found this on the IMDb trivia board. Another reason we should consider nominating Cameron:

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Kirk Cameron, a fundamentalist Christian evangelist, refuses to kiss any woman other than his wife under any circumstance, so to film a scene in which his character in Fireproof (2008) kisses his wife, the filmmakers had to dress Cameron's real-life wife, Chelsea Noble, as the wife character (played throughout the rest of the movie by Erin Bethea) and shoot the kissing scene in shadow so the difference between Noble and Bethea would not be as evident onscreen.


 

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I gotta say, that's kinda refreshing in this day and age of celebrities becoming famous via sex tapes and celebrity marriages lasting all of two weeks. But come on, Kirk, you're an actor -- it's only make believe!

Originally posted by Movie Man

Found this on the IMDb trivia board. Another reason we should consider nominating Cameron:

Trivia:
Kirk Cameron, a fundamentalist Christian evangelist, refuses to kiss any woman other than his wife under any circumstance, so to film a scene in which his character in Fireproof (2008) kisses his wife, the filmmakers had to dress Cameron's real-life wife, Chelsea Noble, as the wife character (played throughout the rest of the movie by Erin Bethea) and shoot the kissing scene in shadow so the difference between Noble and Bethea would not be as evident onscreen.

 

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Even Christians that are critical of their own movies almost always see
three shortcomings in them. Acting,screenplay and cinematography. I am
a Christian but don't go to them because of these. I have seen Facing the
Giants,which was sluggish at first but got better and was a solid movie.
This one is a solid movie too,the acting is far better than most of
Christian Cinema. It is worthwhile because marriage is worth saving in
some cases,in others,they are probably hopeless.

The two leads in Fireproof are solid.   It is nice to see something where
what you are seeing is not perverse claptrap like Before the Devil Knows
You're Dead. Where family members eventually treat each of with respect
and not contempt.

I didn't find the movie preachy,just a solid movie with a good message.
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Look, if ALL Christians went to ALL Christian movies, then every time one of these came out, you'd see upwards of NINETY percent of Americans in them. I hate it when people feel the need to announce that they're Christian. *I* am not one, personally. As far as why I have no desire to see this movie, it just sounds like a boring movie to me. But also because Kirk Cameron, like Tom Cruise, is batsh!+ crazy, and I've dealt with his goons.
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The U.S. Census Bureau doesn't make any formal effort to track the religious leanings of our population, but independent surveys show that about 75% of the population (not 90%) call themselves Christian. I'm guessing that at least half of those are pretty casual about their beliefs, at best.

I'll absolutely defend the right of people like Cameron to vent their beliefs in any forum they choose, including cinema. I also expect them to equally respect my right to slam the door in their face, although the more devout aren't holding up their end of the bargain. In any event, I suspect all but a few of the most devoted Christians regard dogmatics like him to be dangerous zealots.

Personally, there isn't much that I find more offensive than listening to self-proclaimed moralists from the political right lecture me about family values, considering how many of them are on their second, third or beyond marriages. The rather simple reality is that we still attempt to charish a lot of rather archaic institutions in our society. Marriage, or example, worked a lot better when we got married at 18 and died at 40. But that isn't the reality anymore, and it's not unusual for people who typically live 3 decades longer to grow apart. So maybe in this instance, it might behoove us as a society to start tolerating, even accepting, the failings or growth of our neighbors and their relationships in a more forgiving (i.e. Christian?) light.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tyleben Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 3:59am

I am an evengelical Christian; but am fed up with other Christians not wanting to criticize any effort to make movies with Christian themes.  Truth be told, crap is crap, no matter how it is dressed.  I wish studios who endevor to make Christian films would try to make them good; it has been done before.  A few Good examples are End Of The Spear, One Night With The King, The Nativity Story, The Chronicles of Narnia series...also the studio that produces Veggie Tales; they are clever and entertaining even for those who are not Christians. It can be done, but it will take someone fearless to be honest about the movies.  I won't watch anything with Kirk Cameron after he made Left Behind, based on a great book series that was popular with people of faith and also people not of faith.  The movie was so bad, one of the authors of the book even filed a lawsuit against the studio.  These companies need to learn that you can't give an audience crap and expect them to like it, or even more encourage their friends to see it.

 

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Well, making any kind of faith-based movie is a tricky thing. You have to make it A) Family friendly (unless it's "Passion of the Christ", then you're hoping for all the hardcore Catholics to show up). B) Entertaining, because that's what movies are suppose to do in the first place. C) Be of good quality, because you'll fail if your movie is just "Plan 9" with Christian overtunes. and D) Don't be preachy, if people want to be preached to, they'll save their money and just go to church. Personally, I think religion has such a strong following, there's really no need for it to be in popular culture. Like seperation of church and state, I think there should be a seperation of church and all forms of media.
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Originally posted by Michaels

Well, making any kind of faith-based movie is a tricky thing. You have to make it A) Family friendly (unless it's "Passion of the Christ", then you're hoping for all the hardcore Catholics to show up). B) Entertaining, because that's what movies are suppose to do in the first place. C) Be of good quality, because you'll fail if your movie is just "Plan 9" with Christian overtunes. and D) Don't be preachy, if people want to be preached to, they'll save their money and just go to church. Personally, I think religion has such a strong following, there's really no need for it to be in popular culture. Like seperation of church and state, I think there should be a seperation of church and all forms of media.

Bravo, Michaels.  I think you've summed it up quite well.

To my best memory, the best "Christian" film remains Chariots of Fire, and I don't recall a single Christian involved in that endeavor.

I dropped by to point out a little detail over at Box Office Mojo.  The budget for Fireproof is listed at $500,000.  The box office appears headed to break $30 million.  That's 60 times production with only domestic box office (nothing on plans for the foreign market; doubt it will do well there).  In short, this genre appears to be a moneymaker, and unless the movie industry has suddenly discovered it has a scruple or two, we will see more movies of the same quality as this one.

One Night with the King tried to be a good movie, but it had so many flaws. 

Although Before the Devil Knows You're Dead is not a religious movie, since batman39 brought it up again, I'll restate that I felt that was a good movie.  Although dealing with very difficult themes, one of which is financial desperation, which is very applicable to many people's lives today.  Still, Raising Arizona may be a better movie to drive home many of the same points. . . .

 

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My agnostic brother showed me a clip of this movie involving salt and pepper shakers. It's f*cking hysterical, we're seeing it when it comes to DVD.
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Saw the movie in theaters. HeadRazz, this really deserves the nomination. Everything reminded me of a boring cliché film. The wife, the lead actress, the story, etc.

Yet there were some good actors in here. Why they chose to star in this is beyond me.

I would nominate this movie for the following:
WORST PICTURE
WORST ACTOR (KIRK CAMERON)
WORST ACTRESS (ERIN BETHEA)
WORST SCREEN COUPLE (KIRK CAMERON AND EITHER ERIN BETHEA (the wife) or CHELSEA NOBLE (the look-alike wife in the kissing scene)
WORST SCREENPLAY and WORST DIRECTORS (ALEX & STEPHEN KENDRICK)
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What really surprised me is that this film actually made money.

I guess keeping the faith worked for this film!

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I swear that,when I saw a few seconds on it on TV,I thought it was a TV-movie from Lifetime or somethin'.After all,that's the best former child stars can achieve.

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There's little I hate more in this world than conservative Christians. I ask some religious sects that condemn divorce this: If a man should be married, and he has only one chance, and they pick the wrong significant other, apparently it's mandatory that their life be ruined by picking the wrong lover because divorce is against these people. In that case, is marriage even worth it?
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Originally posted by GTAHater767

There's little I hate more in this world than conservative Christians. I ask some religious sects that condemn divorce this: If a man should be married, and he has only one chance, and they pick the wrong significant other, apparently it's mandatory that their life be ruined by picking the wrong lover because divorce is against these people. In that case, is marriage even worth it?
Well, you have to consider that in religious sects, it doesn't matter if your marriage is failing, so long as you're fruitful and raise your children to be loyal followers of the sect as well. In the end, they just want you to help produce more memebers for their little cults, rather than having to go out and convince people to join them.
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ONE of the MOST UNPLEASANT MOVIE-GOING MEMORIES of MY LIFETIME WAS WHEN a SUPPOSED "FRIEND" INVITED ME to a SNEAK PREVIEW of a "NEW MOVIE" -- WHICH TURNED OUT to HAVE BEEN FINANCED by BILLY GRAHAM as a "CHRISTIAN RECRUITING" DEVICE. WHEN the MOVIE ENDED and the LIGHTS CAME UP, a CHURCH SPOKESMAN at the FRONT of the THEATRE IMPLORED EVERYONE WHO HAD "SEEN CHRIST" AS a RESULT of WATCHING the FILM "PLEASE COME FORWARD." MY "FRIEND" THEN TURNED to ME WITH a LOOK ON HER FACE I WILL NEVER FORGET...OR FORGIVE.

It didn't "masquerade" as anything.  They (the Kendrick Brothers) freely admitted who they were, what the movies was about and what the purpose of it was.  They've never done otherwise with any of their films.

AS AN AGNOSTIC MYSELF, I FREELY ADMIT I PLAN to AVOID THIS FILM. BUT I COULDN'T RESIST, GIVEN ITS "TRUE PURPOSE" (IT'S BASICALLY a PRO-CHRISTIAN/ANTI-DIVORCE DIATRIBE MASQUERADING as a FAMILY DRAMA) "HONORING" IT as THIS WEEK's WORST of the WEAK PICK...


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Originally posted by batman39

Even Christians that are critical of their own movies almost always see
three shortcomings in them. Acting,screenplay and cinematography. I am
a Christian but don't go to them because of these. I have seen Facing the
Giants,which was sluggish at first but got better and was a solid movie.
This one is a solid movie too,the acting is far better than most of
Christian Cinema. It is worthwhile because marriage is worth saving in
some cases,in others,they are probably hopeless.

The two leads in Fireproof are solid.   It is nice to see something where
what you are seeing is not perverse claptrap like Before the Devil Knows
You're Dead. Where family members eventually treat each of with respect
and not contempt.

I didn't find the movie preachy,just a solid movie with a good message.
You lost me when you basically said that BTDKYD is bad for not being afraid of going where most movies don't go.
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