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    Posted: June 16 2009 at 8:25am
Again, you're letting your opinion cloud your judgement.
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So, you agree that DBZ has lead to horrible things over there, much like the house of Mouse has lead to the downfall of things over here. I'm glad we are on the same page, finally.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 12:45pm
I'm talking to a wall here... OK, seriously, Dragon Ball has had about the same effect on Japanese animation in general as Mickey Mouse has had on American animation.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CriticalFrank Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 11:52am
Ghost in the Shell! That's what I was trying to think of. The Matrix had much more GitS then DBZ...WAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more GitS... Still see no DBZ influences in the Matrix, though.
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Originally posted by dEd Grimley

Ulg.... Find me a more revolutionary action movie than The Matrix or Wanted that's come out since the mid 90s.

More like name an action movie whose style has been copied a million times over more than "Matrix" (which in itself was a ripoff of "Ghost In The Shell").

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Not to mention, I don't think I saw a single scene that in either of those movies that spent endless amounts of time to a character powering up. Nor do I think that half of either movie was spent with banal dialog regarding who is more powerful... Nor were there magical alls that granted wishes... heh...magic balls.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 9:08am
Ulg.... Find me a more revolutionary action movie than The Matrix or Wanted that's come out since the mid 90s.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CriticalFrank Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 9:05am
It also points to the bad ones being influenced by that same awful 'toon...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 8:55am
But what does that have to do with the fact that the good ones are influenced by DBZ, ie, my entire point?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CriticalFrank Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 8:54am
2 good movies, do not outweigh three bad movies, not to mention when at least two of those bad movies are Colossally bad... So bad in fact, that the definition of bad had to be revised, to include the sheer awfulness of those films...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 8:45am
Aaaand the first Matrix and V for Vendetta, which are usually considered pretty good films by most, who have, in turned, re-revolutioned the action genre. I'd be pretty sure that Russian dude who did Wanted has probably seen some, too.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CriticalFrank Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 8:40am
Using the Wachowskis to back up your argument? The folks tha tbrought us the second and third Matrix films, as well as that awful Speed Racer? Seriously?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 8:31am
I'm pretty sure there are quite a few major producers out there who might disagree with you. I think it's fairly safe to say the Wachowskis have seen an episode.
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DBZ was a show that revolutionized turning a 15 minute show, into a 60 episode long piece of crap. Each episode furthered the overall plot by about 15 seconds, and the remainder of the episode ended up being people ceaselessly talking aobut how they are more powerful then the others, and then "powering up" which would take no less then 3 episodes, and more often 5 or 6. Not to mention that they would have to recycle scenes from episode to episode to pad things. Yeah, I can see true greatness there... (it should be noted that there is a large amount of sarcasm in that "greatness" statement)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dEd Grimley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 7:45am
Dragon Ball and DBZ were very good shows, and they revolutionized the action movie/tv show. To date, if you can find someone who's more of a badass than Goku was at the end of the series, you'd have to scour the nerd trenches.
But I really think the idea of anime being so much better is perhaps overrated. There's a LOOOOOOT of crap out there, too. Every once in a while, they take a chance, and things work out. Same as here for live action. When Americans do cartoons, there's so VERY rarely any risk involved. I'm sure the Pixar folk are plenty talented at what they do, but really, it's more of American laziness that leads to the detriment of the American cartoon. Billy and Mandy is an awesome show, though, and that's clearly taking some big risks.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote CriticalFrank Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2009 at 4:24pm

King of the Hill would have probably made a good 7 minute short, as part of a longer block of programing... but as a whole, the show was about as interesting as the sale of propane and propane accessories.

As for Anime, (adding the word "Japanese" is kinda redundant) some of it is really good. Other shows are kinda crap. Dragon Ball and it's many itterations stand in my mind as one of the crappy ones.

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