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    Posted: November 05 2011 at 2:43pm
I just saw EASY A,and gave it 8/10.

Why am I mentioning it now...and here?Well,it turns out Emma Stone left this movie to star in EASY A Clap.
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Originally posted by Vits

No,no.There's a difference between "sexy" and "sex-bomb".
Well, Emily is neither, and shouldn't be casted as such.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2011 at 3:42pm
No,no.There's a difference between "sexy" and "sex-bomb".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SuperTeenTopia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2011 at 3:34pm
Originally posted by jesse685

 
Sleeping Beauty was in cinemas a few months ago in Australia, got a huge amount of bad reviews.
Yes, many of those reviews are calling it bad taste for casting Emily Browning in the role that she plays, again, because she looks too young. She's appearing in her underwear, at one point, she gets naked, at another point, she's in bed with a man old enough to be her grandfather ... see why I'm telling Hollywood to not hire her in sexy roles? And yes, Vits, while YOU might not count Baby Roll as a sexy role, MANY other people do.
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Originally posted by jesse685

Sleeping Beauty was in cinemas a few months ago in Australia, got a huge amount of bad reviews.

I thought it got decent reviews. Oh, whatever. The trailer looked very interesting though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2011 at 6:38am
GTA,you gorgot to color the years!Shocked Also,people always think I'm 15.Once,in a really dark place,and with my hair a little long,they thought I was a girl.Ironically,it takes a lot of balls to admit that.LOL
Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia

Note to Hollywood, Emily Browning is NOT sexy looking, she looks like she belongs in junior high school; stop casting her in sex bomb roles! Give these roles to ... Emmy Rossum instead. She can act and judging by her TV series, "Shameless", she doesn't mind having to take her clothes off.
At first I thought you were being sarcastic,because she also has an innocent beauty.But looking back at the movies were she dressed sexy,it didn't bother me.But I still wouldn't cast her in a sex-bomb role(I don't think BABYDOLL was one).
Originally posted by moviecritic123

I actually liked this movie. It's not anything great but I had fun with it. Vanessea Hudginsens looks kinda hot with a machine gun.
That is exactly the response the makers expected.I just hope you didn't like it just for that reason.
Originally posted by jesse685

Sleeping Beauty was in cinemas a few months ago in Australia, got a huge amount of bad reviews.
Oh,I'm sure it got a huge amount of "something" from the movie's target audience.I hope someone gets this joke.
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Originally posted by Vits

Oh,so it's not because of the school girl outfit?Yeah,that wouldn't be fair.A lot of grown men like watching women of any age in those and it doesn't mean they're pedophiles.

Actresses need to know what type of beauty they are.Emily is too child-looking.And I think that SLEEPING BEAUTY movie coming out will be worse.
 
Sleeping Beauty was in cinemas a few months ago in Australia, got a huge amount of bad reviews.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SuperTeenTopia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2011 at 11:54pm
I know that Hollywood plays an age game with actors and actresses play younger roles when they are actually older, and older roles when they are actually younger. But when you cast an actress in a role that is going to be strongly sexual (in the case of "Sleeping Beauty"), DO NOT hire an actress who looks like she should be waiting outside of a middle school for her mother to pick her up. As shallow as it may sound, hire the actress who looks the part.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GTAHater767 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2011 at 10:34pm

Emily Browning looks like a preteen despite being over 2 decades old? That's just a drop in the ocean! I easily notice when it happens:

*I mistook one of my calculus classmates, an Asian woman named Tran, who was born in 1979, for being in 1997. This is probably because she's short of stature, has 0% grey hair, fairly pale complexion, and a slim build.
*Last September, many of my old high school's 9th graders were 14 years old, but looked only 8. This year, some of the new high school freshmen look even younger! Some young girls I've seen in offices attest that their male classmates (middle school) look like they just got out of kindergarten, and after seeing one 8th grader who looked like age 6, I believe these girls. I would attribute this to lack of sunlight, high-tech medical care (including neo-natal care), and low caloric intake.
*As long as I don't have facial stubble, I look as young as 15 years old despite being 21. It figures, because I harbor an intense hatred towards fast food, tobacco, alcohol (usually), and hard drugs. I've been clean of McDonald's since April 2005. I barely get any sun exposure, and I weigh only 130 lbs / 60 kg.
 
So if Emily Browning has the face of an 11 year old, our youth may be as old as double the age of the characters they play if we're not to repeat this mistake.
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I actually liked this movie. It's not anything great but I had fun with it. Vanessea Hudginsens looks kinda hot with a machine gun.
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Originally posted by Vits

Oh,so it's not because of the school girl outfit?Yeah,that wouldn't be fair.A lot of grown men like watching women of any age in those and it doesn't mean they're pedophiles.

Actresses need to know what type of beauty they are.Emily is too child-looking.And I think that SLEEPING BEAUTY movie coming out will be worse.
The schoolgirl outfit still doesn't make any sense, but like I said, the leather and chainmail can be considered equally sexy to some male viewers. In the end, Emily Browning shouldn't have been casted for the role. And don't even get me started on "Sleeping Beauty"; you can't debate against the pedophile undertones to that movie!
 
Note to Hollywood, Emily Browning is NOT sexy looking, she looks like she belongs in junior high school; stop casting her in sex bomb roles! Give these roles to ... Emmy Rossum instead. She can act and judging by her TV series, "Shameless", she doesn't mind having to take her clothes off.
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Oh,so it's not because of the school girl outfit?Yeah,that wouldn't be fair.A lot of grown men like watching women of any age in those and it doesn't mean they're pedophiles.

Actresses need to know what type of beauty they are.Emily is too child-looking.And I think that SLEEPING BEAUTY movie coming out will be worse.
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Originally posted by Vits

If I may,I think you're both confusing the terms.Implying BABYDOLL and her sister were about to get raped was context,not undertone.The undertone has to do with their outfits,although I disagree on that.
Yes, it was hinted that Baby Doll and her sister were about to be raped, but then there's the pedophile undertones that I have mentioned with a 12 year old looking Emily Browning running around in a schoolgirl outfit. Had Baby Doll been played by an actress who actually does look like she's 22 or older, and she wore a less revealing outfit, I wouldn't be making this arguement.
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If I may,I think you're both confusing the terms.Implying BABYDOLL and her sister were about to get raped was context,not undertone.The undertone has to do with their outfits,although I disagree on that.
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Well, isn't it obvious they have to please both sides? In Hollywood, the best thing you can ever do is to balance the beam: You want to make what you wanna make, but you shouldn't forget about the masses. I still don't see how it's sexist (and to which gender?).
Okay, what kind of female empowerment message are you sending when the lead female is a 12 year old looking girl in a schoolgirl outfit and hypnoizes people with what is described as a semi-stripper dance? Further more, at one point, Sweet Pea points out how the "play" they were "acting" in can be looked at as being "sexy". I wouldn't call that a huge red flag, but it's almost like Snyder is phoning in his true intentions. Bottom line: if it looks, acts, and sounds like a duck, chances are, it's a duck.

But it's still appropriate for the style of the film.
Pedophile undertones are appropriate for a female empowerment movie? As I said, the leather and chainmail I can understand (and some would even consider that to be sexy), but a schoolgirl outfit, not really. The girls could have been all wearing IronMan like armor, and that could have been appropriate, too, but Snyder went the way of slutty cosplay-chic. Highly questionable choice.

I think the pedophilic undertone was purposefully left there, especially in the opening when the stepfather was going to get the little sister. Along with that, the whole dancing routine is just a way for her to fantasize about her getting to kick some ass. Sure, it may seem counter productive, but she's in a brothel. What do you expect her to do in order to fantasize about fighting?
The stuff with the little sister, I understand, but it shouldn't be carried over to the "older" sister (who still looks like she's barely 13), where the pedophile undertones were hinted at again near the end of the movie. I already laid out a perfectly natural way for the girls to enter the fantasy world without the use of a stripper dance, and it also removes the brothel setting all together, which again, is never explained why she's fantasizes about such a setting.

But the thing is that Snyder didn't make that story. Sure, the version you came up with is much simpler and easier to understand, but Snyder didn't think of that. I'm not saying that Sucker Punch has the best plot structure ever, but it's one of those films that you just have to go along with and not ask, "Why doesn't he do this instead?"
But that's not how a story works. If it's just one scene you're questioning, that's okay, but when it's the whole movie, the writer did something very wrong. A good story needs plot structure, otherwise, you failed at telling the story properly. You don't just throw events onto the screen and say "just go with it". And my version isn't so simple, if it was in the right hands, where everything is explained and the characters are fleshed out. Snyder didn't do any of this, his version of even simpler: just show a bunch of images and introduce characters and events without explaining what's going on, why or how it's happening, or who any of these peopler are. He seemed more concerned about getting the girls in tight little outfits and getting as much CGI on the screen as possible. That's bad storytelling, not art.

Well, before all of that happens, it was already implied that the mental asylum is a corrupt place. Furthermore, we find out that the sisters were brought to the asylum in a shady manner. She steals chocolate because it's obvious that they get sh*t food to eat. It's like saying, "Why should I feel pity for a Jew in a camp when he's stealing bread?" The state the girls are in is bad enough and one doesn't have to go into deep reasoning to see why they do what they do.
Okay, ONE scene that shows the girls might be under strict rules, but that's all. The Jews were tortured every waking moment of the day until they died. BIG difference, in fact, you can't seriously compare the two. That's like saying a paper cut is the same as losing a limb; it's not. Again, forget about the glorifed brothel, and stick with the horrors of the asylum, give us the idea the girls are in hell on earth. Getting slapped around alittle for stealing is not a hell on earth. Getting tortured morning, noon, and night, that's hell. And again, you can't use the excuse "oh just go along with it", because that's the laziest type of writing. There's no defending this movie as a properly told story.
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Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia

And I just realized this: MWG mentioned the girls dressing up like that because that's how girls in anime dress. The big problem with that is it's called "fan service", which is just a nice way of saying "T&A". The anime girls are dressed that way to lure in horny teenage boys (or men). Yes, there are people in this world who get sexually aroused by cartoon women! So if MWG is trying to defend the movie not being sexist, that excuse is not helping his case, it only confirms that the movie makes the girls look like eye candy for perverts to enjoy.

Well, isn't it obvious they have to please both sides? In Hollywood, the best thing you can ever do is to balance the beam: You want to make what you wanna make, but you shouldn't forget about the masses. I still don't see how it's sexist (and to which gender?).

Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia

Okay, jeans and a t-shirt doesn't make sense when fighting Nazi zombies and dragons, but a Japanese school girl outfit with bare legs and a bare midriff does make sense? The only outfits that made sense were what Blondie and Sweet Pea were wearing, fully clothed in leather and chainmail. Now that makes sense. But a Japanese schoolgirl outfit and the assless/crotchless chaps that Amber wore? No, sorry, not buying it.

But it's still appropriate for the style of the film.

Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia

Also Emily Browning was woefully miscasted in this movie. She looks like she's 12 years old, yet we're suppose to believe she's 22? It gave the movie a slight pedophile undertone to it. And how else is it not female empowerment? Well, in order to reach her goals, Baby Doll has to do a dance that is always being described as "raw" and "lots of grinding". So doing a broaderline strip tease is female empowerment? Granted, the dance is never shown on-screen, but then we're left wondering what the big deal about this dance is.

I think the pedophilic undertone was purposefully left there, especially in the opening when the stepfather was going to get the little sister. Along with that, the whole dancing routine is just a way for her to fantasize about her getting to kick some ass. Sure, it may seem counter productive, but she's in a brothel. What do you expect her to do in order to fantasize about fighting?

Here's how the story would have worked, both as a story and as female empowerment: The movie starts as it did with Baby Doll going to the asylum, keep all that. Then show how the inmates are treated like subhumans (as most inmates in aslyums are in real life) and Baby Doll wants out. She befriends the other girls, perhaps by stealing the chocolate and sharing with them, so we can keep that scene. Meanwhile, the girls are having group therapy with Carla Gugino's character, and she teaches them this self-hypnosis trick that sends them into a fantasy world that they can control, and through this method, she teaches them that female empowerment must be a way of thinking, and then a course of action. And then the story plays out with them stealing the four items, using the self-hypnosis trick to give themselves confindence, and Sweet Pea escapes, etc. That would have worked. But instead, Snyder gave us his poorly done version of "Inception", proving that while he knows how to put together pretty images, he can't write his way out a wet paper bag.

But the thing is that Snyder didn't make that story. Sure, the version you came up with is much simpler and easier to understand, but Snyder didn't think of that. I'm not saying that Sucker Punch has the best plot structure ever, but it's one of those films that you just have to go along with and not ask, "Why doesn't he do this instead?"

Originally posted by SuperTeenTopia

And again, thanks to Snyder's bad storytelling, how are we suppose to relate to how bad the girls are being treated? One girl steals from the kitchen and the cook attacks her over it. Wow, what a hell hole they are in, we should feel pity for them based on this alone!

Well, before all of that happens, it was already implied that the mental asylum is a corrupt place. Furthermore, we find out that the sisters were brought to the asylum in a shady manner. She steals chocolate because it's obvious that they get sh*t food to eat. It's like saying, "Why should I feel pity for a Jew in a camp when he's stealing bread?" The state the girls are in is bad enough and one doesn't have to go into deep reasoning to see why they do what they do.
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