Citizen Kane was a really good movie and I"m not surprised why it was chosen as the #1 Best movie of all time. I liked Citizen Kane but it's not really my favorite to be in the no.1 spot. My most favorite is Casablanca. It was a truly great classic movie. I also loved Gone with The Wind and The Godfather.
I don't think it SHAKESPEARE a satire at all. Satire uses ironic sarcasm to make a statement, something SIL lacked. It was an homage film. Plus the references were anything but subtle. The priest saying "A plague on both of your houses," not subtle. In another year I might not have minded (although I don't know which). My big problem is that Harvey Weinstein lied his butt off about what kind of film PRIVATE RYAN was. 'Historically Inaccurate?!?' Give me a break! SIL had even less that was actually accurate about it. Not to mention that it managed to take other Oscars away from people who gave performances of a lifetime (such as Cait Blanchett in Elizabeth, who kicked the ever- loving crap out of Gwyneth Paltrow in terms of performance).
Weinstein controls the Academy like a puppet master. Not to mention that the Academy has always hated Spielberg's guts. When you combine the two, Private Ryan loses and Weinstein gets to go home with another Oscar.
RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Don't even know where to start trying to respond to this diatribe -- If the AMPAS "has always hated Spielberg's guts," how do you explain that he's been Oscar-nominated 13 TIMES (IMDb LINK) and has not only won THREE TIMES, but one of his wins was as Best Director...for PRIVATE RYAN!
As for SHAKESPEARE being "historically inaccurate," it did not represent itself as being about actual history but instead was clearly a romantic fable, merely "riffing" on the works and legends of Shakespeare and his times.
Sounds to me like you're buying into the "Spielberg is God/Fanboy" folklore too readily available on the 'Net...
I don't know, not every SuperBowl makes for a great showing for all teams. There's the odd chance you get that 33-3 game that should have ended after the second quarter...
Originally posted by saturnwatcher
I agree that the Oscars are the Super Bowl of the movie industry, but the NFL doesn't have to look back on several of their past champions with a degree of embarrassed throat clearing. I don't think anyone who played for the Green Bay Packers in the '97 Super Bowl would speak of the accomplishment with anything but pride. But seriously, would you ever come out and publicly admit that you were one of the guys who voted for Forrest Gump?
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"People say 'It's all about the story’. When you're making tentpole films, bull$hit." -Andy Hendrickson (Disney Animation Studios' Chief Technical Officer)
I was in a rush when I posted that. I re-checked the source and it didn't say they paid them, but implied it. There's no links, so I can't verify it. Sorry for the confusion.
I think Shakespeare in Love is a brilliant film. Considering the fact that I downright loathed the story of Romeo and Juliet and every film adaptation I've seen, I was blown away by how great the movie was. Saving Private Ryan is good too, but I've seen better war films -- like Full Metal Jacket and Letters to Iwo Jima.
Originally posted by Head RAZZberry
Gotta disagree with you about SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE vs SAVING RYAN's PRIVATES -- I have seen both films multiple times and, while RYAN is one of the best war films ever made, SHAKESPEARE is a brilliant satire that actually expects its audience to be educated enough to get subtle references to several of Shakespeare's classic plays and favorite plot devices. While RYAN is indeed a fine film, SHAKESPEARE is a movie that respects audiences enough not to talk down to us -- an all too rare vote of confidence in movie-goers' intelligence in an age when most of Hollywood thinks we're all complete cretins!
I think the reason over the Shakespeare In Love backlash is less with the film itself and more with Harvey Weinstein's rumored tactics. Specifically, paying off journalists to claim that Private Ryan was historically inaccurate!
RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Even though this is only an open Forum, and nothing here is technically "published," I feel compelled to point out that, while opinions are most welcome, the posting of accusations, allegations and other "actionable remarks" here is both inappropriate and unwelcome. I bring this up because I just now edited the above post to include the word "rumored" -- I think it's reasonable to assume that, had evidence of the accusations against Weinstein existed, Spielberg and the makers of PRIVATE RYAN would have sought legal recourse. The fact that they did not, while not exactly proving the accusations untrue, certainly lends credence to their being an example of "Urban Folklore."
In future, let's try to stay focused on what each of us thinks about the subjects at hand, rather than posting rumor, innuendo and other material that could be considered "actionable remarks" on our part...
Joel Schumacher is history's greatest monster!-Robot Chicken https://twitter.com/SchumacherH8r Next-up: The Oogieloves
Ah yes the '97 Superbowl one of the bigger upsets in Superbowl history. As a fan of the winning team, the Broncos, I can say that it is indeed better to have gone and lost than not gone at all. Not so much with the Oscars. The Superbowl is actually based off of talent. the winning team worked their butts off to get there. With the Oscars, a few simple payoffs and a giant smear campaign and you will have it regardless of whether or not you deserve it. case and point, Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan which is widely regarded as one of the biggest f*** ups in Oscar history.
RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Gotta disagree with you about SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE vs SAVING RYAN's PRIVATES -- I have seen both films multiple times and, while RYAN is one of the best war films ever made, SHAKESPEARE is a brilliant satire that actually expects its audience to be educated enough to get subtle references to several of Shakespeare's classic plays and favorite plot devices. While RYAN is indeed a fine film, SHAKESPEARE is a movie that respects audiences enough not to talk down to us -- an all too rare vote of confidence in movie-goers' intelligence in an age when most of Hollywood thinks we're all complete cretins!
I agree that the Oscars are the Super Bowl of the movie industry, but the NFL doesn't have to look back on several of their past champions with a degree of embarrassed throat clearing. I don't think anyone who played for the Green Bay Packers in the '97 Super Bowl would speak of the accomplishment with anything but pride. But seriously, would you ever come out and publicly admit that you were one of the guys who voted for Forrest Gump?
Nine times out of ten, in art as in life, there is no truth to be discovered, only an error to be exposed.--H.L. Menken
well 1990 would be a do-over because Goodfellas has aged so much better than DWW so is the second half of your list films that most people feel shouldn't have won that you agree with the win?
I would also add to the "Oscar re-do years" list: 1956 and 1981.
Also, 1990 being on your list amuses me because I have Dances With Wolves on my counter. Let's see if it winds up in the same company as Around The World In 80 Days/Chariots Of Fire/Crash or it ranks with Cimarron/Forrest Gump/My Fair Lady.
Joel Schumacher is history's greatest monster!-Robot Chicken https://twitter.com/SchumacherH8r Next-up: The Oogieloves
They should poll a bunch of film critics for years to redo. I'm sure 1998 would be at the top of the list as well as 1941, 1952, 1979, 1980, and 1990 to start with.
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