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    Posted: December 12 2012 at 7:53am
I wouldn't necessarily disagree with objections to comparisons of the Twilight movies to Star Wars if we limited the discussion to the first 3, but the last 3 were garbage, not significantly better than these movies. Even the first three Star Wars suffered many of the same plot deficiencies. I use that analogy not as a comparison between the overall quality of the films (which would be a stretch) but rather because many of the exact same criticisms can be leveled at both franchises but, for some reason, almost never are.
 As for HeadRAZZ's charge of the author "dicking around with basic elements of both vampire and werewolf lore," as previously noted, there are simply too many radically divergent cultural variations to pretend that the matter is set in stone. In fact, some of the variations that have been used in this series have also been utilized in previous American films. 

Make no mistake on my stand here: I think these films are basically crap. However, I have a disturbing suspicion that if the primary audience for these films was teenage boys rather than teenage girls, we might not be treating them with the same derision.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 11:15am
That's because, no matter the franchise, fan boys don't cry when their favorite movies are over...They do scream when there's an announcement of any kind, but they aren't shrill.

And I stand by what I said before: Although HARRY POTTER and THE HUNGER GAMES are good movies, their fans can be just as annoying! 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cvcjr13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2012 at 7:40pm
Everybody is voting for this one, right?  Just checking. . . .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GTAHater767 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2012 at 9:48pm
Not me! I did my best to vote AGAINST The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2 AND John Carter. Every year someone or other hypes the wrong film(s) for RAZZIE nominations -- and once the reviews prove that one of our prime targets is not that bad, people like me have to worry about throwing our votes away. That's why most of my nominations went to other, far worse films that had the best odds of beating Carter and Twilight 5 to the finals, such as Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, A Thousand Words, That's My Boy, and One For the Money, with an occasional vote for Battleship. I only cast 2 or 3 votes (out of a possible 50) for Underworld: Awakening, Resident Evil: Retribution, Silent Hill Revelation 3D, and Gone because I didn't want to put too much wager on things that had less of a chance. 

Though the situation isn't quite as dire as Rambo IV back in 2008, I won't be happy if I fail in my efforts...  


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Post Options Post Options   Quote cvcjr13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2012 at 10:17pm
I agree with you on John Carter, but don't you feel as a whole that the entire series of Twilight movies has to be one of the worst franchises in movie history?  I mean, sparkly vampires and beefcake werewolves played by actors who can't act, with special effects that are more botched than special - gimme a break!  


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2013 at 9:55am
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GTAHater767 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2014 at 12:05pm
I can't count all the principles on which Breaking Dawn Part 2 swept up as many RAZZIES as Battlefield Earth, and more RAZZIES than Freddy Got Fingered, Swept Away, Gigli, CatwomanDirty Love, The Love Guru, and The Last Airbender despite that it was not nearly as ill-reputed, and got a C from critics, in contrast to those other RAZZIE winners which were universally panned. I just want to see how many explanations for this blatant paradox I can come up with:

*It was our last chance to give the franchise multiple RAZZIES in one year before it would be gone forever.

*The idea that it had the best entertainment value of the 5 films didn't matter because what little entertainment value Breaking Dawn Part 2 was still negligible.

*The fact that, statistically speaking, the worst one was Breaking Dawn Part 1 didn't matter because that wasn't the final installment, and was going up against stiffer competition in the Worst of 2011 RAZZIES.

*We needed to get back at Kristen Stewart because she nearly always looked like she was out of it

*The Twilight Saga has no staying power. Billions were invested in and made from the franchise, tween girls gave it so much hype, and the media gave it so much attention, and yet nobody will remember the franchise come New Decade's Day on January 1, 2020... except for me, because I've given all of them except the first one lifelong infamy as one each of the Bottom 40 Films of '009, '010, '011, and '012.

*This could be one of those rare instances where the critics lied about the film when they gave it a C instead of an F.

*The pedo-erotic scene between the wolf-man and the little girl!!!

Hmmm. Only 7 reasons. As long as a film has even half of that going against it, it doesn't need less than a C from critics to be the #1 worst film of the year on a matter of principle. Some people say that when I voted for A Thousand Words for Worst Picture, I was throwing my vote away. It's said that the only thing that could've beaten Breaking Dawn Part 2 for Worst Picture was That's My Boy, and on top of That's My Boy not getting a 0% at Rotten Tomatoes like A Thousand Words, it didn't occur to me to give Adam Sandler Worst Picture twice, let alone two years in a row, and Jack and Jill was much worse than That's My Boy.

But the only thing more important was that the Worst of 2013 RAZZIES made up for it to an extent because the #1 worst film of '013, Movie 43, actually earned that title instead of getting handed the Worst Picture trophy automatically on principle and name recognition.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JacobD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2014 at 12:22am
I personally think that you really did throw away your vote on A Thousand Words. Did you even read the Individual reviews?!

I am 100% convinced the Razzies had it backwards and that they gave Worst Picture to the Twilight movie (Breaking Dawn: Part 2) when it should have been the Sandler movie (That's My Boy, f**k man, even Adam Sandler's own grandma wouldn't watch it), and gave it to the Sandler movie (Jack and Jill) when it should have been Twilight (Breaking Dawn: Part 1) which eye-and-possibly-even-SOUL-RAPED ME and which I personally would argue is the single WORST MOVIE OF ALL TIME, LET ALONE WORST OF 2011!!!!!!!!

You look at offensiveness, subject matter, and everything as a whole, Jack and Jill (and admittedly even the bland and instantly forgettable crapfest A Thousand Words) was freaking Happy Gilmore compared to That's My Boy. Jack and Jill, had what I thought were some genuinely funny things (like Twilight: Eclipse, it is a total guilty pleasure for me) like some of the pop culture references (Its A Wonderful Life and Star Wars at that Dinner Table scene or to Al Pacino's previous movies and only having 1 Oscar) or just watching a legend like Scarface/Michael from The Godfather utterly humiliate himself in a self-referential, hammy performance that's one of my personal favorites of his. Don't get me wrong, I don't think its great or anything, but we all have our own opinions, and what's a guilty pleasure anyway without the actual GUILT that comes w/ the PLEASURE??!?!!

And Movie 43 was by no means a worse film than Grown Ups 2 (the true worst of the year as far as I'm convinced) or After Earth. In a perfect world I believe M. Night Shyamalan would have become the first director to win 3 razzies in that category. Ah, what could have been. "sigh"
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JacobD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2014 at 12:32am
I also don't believe critics were deceitful in this circumstance. I just think a lot of people (critics obviously included) hated Twilight and wanted it to burn in flames no matter what and others might have simply thought the individual movie wasn't all that bad.

I don't know, I don't blindly trust the Tomato meter's score on everything, that would be ignorant of me. "Professional Critics" may be fun to read at times, but I'm not blindly loyal to them otherwise I would miss out on a lot of really fun movies, like Armageddon or G.I. Joe: Retaliation for example!!! Both really fun examples of "popcorn" entertainment that MOST critics will inevitably hate yet audiences and myself will inevitably love.
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P.S. I understand we all have our tastes and if you feel critics always do great at steering you towards whatever movies you enjoy, then I'm not one to judge.

And I know individual reviews were overwhelmingly negative towards A Thousand Words, its just that sometimes you give off the impression all you do is look at the score without even bothering to check out the individual reviews from the critics themselves.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Vits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2014 at 6:15pm
The TomatoMeter score is a non-100% accurate summed up version of the review. That's why, whenever it really matters, individual reviews are the ones that count.
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