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    Posted: April 21 2006 at 3:41am

In the Cell Phone forum, two people had posted about people bringing their 4 and 5-year-old children to see "Kill Bill Vol. 2" and "The Passion of the Christ."

Originally posted by Michaels

As of parents needing to find babysitters. There is no reason for them to bring their 3 or 4 year old to see Kill Bill Vol. 2 (I'm not joking, when I saw that movie almost every parent had their kids with them, at an R rated movie). I am anti-children, as Bill Maher says "I just don't want to be around kids, problem is neither do their parents".

Originally posted by deadguy76

I saw a woman bringing her kids to "The Passion of the Christ", I kid you not! The kids were asking, mommy why are they beating up that man?

The question I have is; Why have ratings when parents are going to completely ignore them?

I'll prepare you now, my first post will be a long one.

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Movies have them.  Video games have them.  TV has them.  The internet has them.  Even the music you buy in the stores have them.  What are they?  They're ratings and warnings.  I am sick and tired of hearing parents complaining about the contents of all of these, and yet they make absolutely no attempt to use the tools made available to them.

Movies have ratings:

  • G (General)- Appropriate for all viewers
  • PG (Parental Guidance)- Parental Guidance suggested
  • PG-13 - Parental Guidance STRONGLY suggested
  • R (Restricted)- Restricted to people over 17 without adult supervision
  • NC-17 (No Children under 17)- Noboby under the age of 17 admitted.

Yet, we have parents bringing their 4-year-old children to see R-rated movies like "Kill Bill Vol. 2."

Games have ratings:

  • EC (Early Childhood)- Appropriate for young children
  • E (Everyone)- Appropriate for everyone
  • E-10 (Everyone over 10)- Appropriate for children over 10
  • T (Teen)- Appropriate for Teen-agers and adults
  • M (Mature)- Appropriate only for people over 17
  • AO (Adults Only)- Do I need to explain that?

Yet, when I worked in retail, I've seen parents buy M-rated titles like "Doom" or "Quake 2" when I know those children could not be over 10.

Television has ratings:

  • TV-Y - Appropriate for young children
  • TV-Y7 - Appropriate for children over 7
  • TV-E - Appropriate for everyone
  • TV-14 - Appropriate only for people over 14.
  • TV-MA - Not appropriate for children under 17.

Yet, parents make no attempts to program their V-Chips to block programs that is not age appropriate.  Even my technophobic grandmother can set one of these up.

I have a seperate rant for the internet.  Hopefully, you get the idea for the internet and music.

Why are these same parents complaining about the contents of all these media when they make no attempt to block their children from viewing it?  How can they expect our government to filter out the harmful content when they themselves will not do it?  Why should the rest of us pay for the irresponsibility of these parents?

All of that really makes me angry.  Angry  I feel better now.  I warned you it would be long.  LOL

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sportsartist24 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 6:36pm

You forgot the following:

TV-G - Appropriate for all viewers
TV-PG - Appropriate for everyone but with parental guidence (a bit similar to the PG rating in movies).

Also, X - similar to NC-17, though NC-17 replaced the X in the mid-1980's.

The Mormons were'nt really popular in the beginning, they're now becoming more popular, even in Hollywood.
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I heard the MPAA is going to create another rating A: for adults. It's going to be somewhere between R and NC-17. Here's the thing I don't understand; most NC-17 movies that I can think of have been rated that way because of sexual content. But you see people getting shot hundreds of times in John Woo movies and (you're all probably going to think I'm a wimp) I cringed when they cut off a man's foot in Saw. That is the only movie to ever give me nausea. I see more violence on the eleven o'clock news than I do in a PG-13 James Bond movie. Why is it that we cringe when Janet Jackson shows a nipple??
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MJ Narcy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2006 at 8:26am
I have no idea how a five second nip-slip can cause many Americans to lose their minds completely.  Yet, if a broadcaster decided to show "Saw" uncut, there would hardly be any controversy.

Just to illustrate my point, CBS, FOX, ABC, & NBC have filed suit against the FCC because they believe that that agency has gotten out of control.  CBS was recently fined for a reference to a teen orgy in their show, "Without a Trace."  They showed a five second picture of three figures in the dark obviously wearing shirts and shorts.  I have even heard of the FCC fining a small college radio station in the mountains of NC $80,000 for one of its DJ's saying the word, "Crap."  That station is only one of two radio stations that can be picked up in that area.  The other is a country AM radio station that has the annoying AM buzz.  Yet, if you go about 100 miles south-east, you'll find a radio station play an advertisment selling bondage equipment.

What does this prove?  It proves that the  "Thought Police" are out of control, and if someone wants to destroy a small radio station because it doesn't play country, they can do it easily.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote deadguy76 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2006 at 10:34am

I don't understand why nudity freaks people out more than blood. Nudity doesn't kill people... unless you see an 80-year-old naked and you have a heart attack or something. Anywho, we see open heart surgeries on ER and autopsies on CSI and no one complains. We see a beautiful woman's body, which should be admired as the work of art that it is  and people protest, fine the tv station and one woman filed a lawsuit.

Ultra Christian conservatives don't get it that the female form is a beautiful thing. Even King Solomon figured it out. He had 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3... King Solomon is my hero  but imagine trying to do a head count ).

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sportsartist24 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2006 at 5:39am
Profanity doesn't kill people either, it just spreads to others and then most of them start doing it. Of course, you're gonna have to try and be a bit careful when you're using profanity in front of a little kid. The kid can actually either start crying or end up telling a parent. But, what the hell, man. I've seen kids swear a bit. I mean, we all have.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote deadguy76 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2006 at 8:17am

Once again Right Wingers and Nazi Republicans claim there's too much profanity in movies. The bible doesn't say "Thou shalt not use the F_ word."

I remember seeing an episode of South Park where Craig, the kid who wears all blue, gets sent to the Couselor's office for flipping people off all the time. Later in another episode we see Craig eating dinner with his family. They all tell each other to shut up and then flip each other off. People complain that kids are getting profanity from Movies and Music. Most likely they learn it from mom and dad.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote MJ Narcy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 6:25am
I have recently seen a commercial for a Discovery Channel program where a woman in a car is screaming angrily into her cell phone when another driver pulls in front of her.  Her 7-year-old daughter gets out of the car and shouts at the driver of the other car while kicking the door.  Her mother watches this in absolute horror.  Then they show a figurine depicting an angry woman and her daughter in the same temper tantrum pose while the narrator says, "Let's all discover how your behavior affects your children's behavior."
AngryAngry

Actually, the controversy over sex and violence is a sign of the refusal of parents to take responsibility for their own children.  Cry
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 10:30am

We don't disagree often, Deadguy, but for once, I have to side somewhat with the Right wingers and Nazi Republicans when it comes to profanity in movies, and entertainment in general. There was a time when the use of certain words was a direct pass to the principal's office if you used them in school, and at best your punishment would be an intimate meeting with that paddle that had holes drilled in it. At worst, you got the paddle, a few days expulsion to think it over, and whatever punishment your parents meted out when you got home...usually that was worse.

I do agree, however, that if a bad example is set at home, whatever happens in movies or whatever media children are exposed to isn't going to matter a whole lot.

The same words used on the air, on TV or radio, could get a station's broadcast license revoked. I think that there is a direct relationship between the acceptance in the use of profanity in society, and the general decline of civility.

But getting back to the topic at large, motion picture ratings are informational guidelines. I don't think that the application of ratings is particularly consistant, but I think people have an obligation to take them into account when deciding what movie they want to see, and what they are going to take children to see. I have zero sympathy for anyone who takes their child to a movie that is clearly inappropriate as defined by the rating, then complains about the content. All they are telling me is that they are illiterate idiots. Alas, there are no shortage of those out there these days.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote deadguy76 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 7:03pm

It's a double edged sword Saturnwatcher. I'll agree there's a little too much profanity in movies. On the other hand if you have a hard-hitting cop drama you can't have him yell "Get on the ground you big mean dummy!" and be taken seriously. If you don't have profanity your unrealistic, if you have profanity your "out of touch with America". Personally I'll deal with realistic profanity, after all it's only a movie.

There's a good article in Premiere. Basically it compares America, England, France, Sweden, Italy, and Malaysia's movie rating system. Movies that are rated R in the U.S. are appropriate for all ages in France. So much for ratings.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sportsartist24 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 7:34pm
Sadly though, PG-rated films in the '70's were more like PG-13-rated. R-rated movies in the '70's were more like PG or PG-13-rated movies. Yep, deadguy76, like you said, so much for ratings.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote saturnwatcher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 11:44am

I'll agree that some profanity can add realism to a movie, and I don't necessarily object to that. But it can go over the edge pretty easily. Jay and Silent Bob could probably be just as funny if Jay didn't drop and F Bomb every third word.  A couple of times during the course of a 90 minute movie would probably be more than enough, if its necessary at all.

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Jay is a wigger and wiggers should be destroyed. All they do is talk tough and get Britney Spears pregnant. I hate wanna be gangstas
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MJ Narcy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2006 at 7:38am
The insanity has hit video game conventions.  E3 has banned "booth babes."  Basically, women hired by vendors are prohibitted by the organizers from sexually explicit clothing, overly revealing clothing or bikini bottoms.  However, showing, on a giant screen, a giant scorpion landing on a guy's back, jamming a long spike through his head, and having his blood splattering on you. Confused

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This society's aversion to sex and obsession with violence is incredible. A wiser man than I once said, "I'd much rather have my children watching two people make love than two people trying to kill each other."

There is even a video game around now in which a player can take the part of Dylan Klieboldt and or Eric Harris, and recreate the Columbine massacre. The point of the game is to kill as many fellow students as possible with guns and bombs. As a resident of the Denver metro area, I can't even express how appalled and offended I am by that. Perhaps it can be granted that in this society, the people who made that game had every right to do it. But that doesn't make it right to do so. And when we are desensitized to the point where we can turn horrifying mass murders into a form of interactive entertainment, its little wonder that political leaders with repugnant agendas can easily manipulate the public conscious into permitting attacks on nations that have never done us any harm.

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