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    Posted: January 18 2010 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Personally, I don't care whether or not you enjoyed the movie, but it was an excessively violent piece of crap.

But there are many controversial films that are violent that aren't crap.
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Originally posted by moviewizguy

Originally posted by saturnwatcher

Personally, I don't care whether or not you enjoyed the movie, but it was an excessively violent piece of crap.

But there are many controversial films that are violent that aren't crap.
Yes, but "Rambo 4" wasn't one of them. The difference being that those mores had more to them as whole besides their violence, while "Rambo 4" was about nothing but its violence.
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Originally posted by moviewizguy

But there are many controversial films that are violent that aren't crap.
This ground has been covered before. There is a VERY significant difference between films like, for example, A Clockwork Orange, which presents violent images to make a point, and films like R4 which present violent images for no purpose other than thrilling the audience with images of flying body parts. That kind of thing simply appeals to the basest aspects of humanity and has no redeeming social value.
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A Clockwork Orange is certainly an all time masterpiece... of course, this Stanley Kubrick's classic showed violent images to make a point... BUT Rambo 4 didn't show violent images for no reason dude, this is where you've wrong!
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Originally posted by saturnwatcher


This ground has been covered before. There is a VERY significant difference between films like, for example, A Clockwork Orange, which presents violent images to make a point, and films like R4 which present violent images for no purpose other than thrilling the audience with images of flying body parts. That kind of thing simply appeals to the basest aspects of humanity and has no redeeming social value.

I'll be willing to argue against that. R4 shows violence to show the reality of what happens in that country.
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Originally posted by moviewizguy


I'll be willing to argue against that. R4 shows violence to show the reality of what happens in that country.
No, saturnwatcher is talking about the stuff like "Oh my god! Rambo just chopped that dude's head off!" or "Oh my god! Rambo just ripped that guy's thoart out!". Stuff like that is all about shock value, there's no message behind it. That is what saturnwatcher didn't like about the movie; it was just trying to appeal to the torture porn crowd.
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Originally posted by moviewizguy


I'll be willing to argue against that. R4 shows violence to show the reality of what happens in that country.


Totally agree! And it's a fact!
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In my opinion, there are two types of theatrical releases. Films and movies.
The Rambo series are movies.
The Godfather series are films.
Sometimes I want to watch one type, sometimes the other.
I can't see how anyone would want to watch one type ALL the time.
Stallone is not a great actor in the sense that he couldn't pull off Othello, but he doesn't try to do that.
He is an action star first and foremost and I'm sure he realizes it.
Being Stallone, I'm sure he could get the greenlight to make pretty much anything he wants,including Othello, but he knows his limits.
The Rocky series aren't art, they are movies. And with that in mind, I enjoy some of them.
He and Arnold are the kings of what I call fallback movies. If there really isn't anything on tv, and Predator is on, I'll watch it. Same goes for some of Stallones movies.
That type of cinema is what keeps Hollywood going.
Now, I'm a Friday the 13th fan. I know they aren't art, but I enjoy them.
People would say "Why do they keep making them?!" Why? Because they make money and they allowed Paramount to keep making other, less moneymaking movies.
They used to call New Line Cinema "The House That Freddy Built" New Line was just about to go under when they got the script for A Nightmare On Elm Street. Nobody else wanted to touch it.
The execs at New Line figured, what the hell, whats the worst that can happen? We're about ready to close up shop anyway, so they made Nightmare. It basically saved the company. New Line was then able to go on and make some good FILMS.
Would it have been better for New Line to just have gone out of business because Nightmare wasn't written by Shakespeare?
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To be honest it is difficult to answer. 
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I understand that one man's trash is another man's treasure, and while we at the Razzies think Stallone's body of work is a joke, others see great amounts of entertainment. But really, folks, just because the man made one Oscar winning movie that went on to become a crowd-pleasing classic, that doesn't mean he can get away with making one half-assed action movie or sequel after another for the rest of his career. You can cherish "Rocky 1" all you want, but when it comes down to the quality of the rest of his career, it has been hit or miss, mostly miss.
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